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		<description><![CDATA[Someone had the temerity to ask me to &#8220;take down&#8221; my definition of &#8216;adeism&#8217;, and presumably to change the title of this blog, or even to remove the blog.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><strong>Someone had the temerity to ask me to &#8220;take down&#8221; my definition of &#8216;adeism&#8217;, and presumably to change the title of this blog, or even to remove the blog.</strong></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt;text-indent:-18pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span lang="EN"><span><span style="font-size:small;">1.</span><span style="font-family:&quot;">      </span></span></span><span dir="ltr"><span lang="EN"><span style="font-size:small;">This is NOT the definition for adeist that I coined in 2003. Adeism is the word I chose to describe the weak-atheist position of unbelief in supernatural beings. I hope you take this down, because I’m going to promote the usage of adeism as I coined it.</span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong>What a cheek!</strong></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong>Unbelief in the supernatural, or better yet an argument that &#8217;supernatural&#8217; is a false category, is not a weak position <span style="font-size:11pt;color:#000000;font-family:&quot;">–</span> it obviates the possibility of superstitious mumbo-jumbo and any religious deity other than cult deities such as the Emperor Hirohito (and we know what happened to his pseudo-divinity).</strong></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span lang="EN"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">I responded:</span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Sorry, but I am *not* taking it down because I disagree with your definition, even if you did coin it earlier than I. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">While searching for an official definition for the term that I wished to adopt, I found, as recently as 2007, that there was *no officially accepted* definition of adeism.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I think that I found your definition on an atheist message board, where you had previously posted a paper that you&#8217;d submitted for a course. Your position, as I recall, was just to the atheist side of agnosticism. I found the paper quite interesting, but disagreed with your terminology for the following reasons:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">If deism is the weakest form of &#8216;theism&#8217;, then I see refusal to believe in *even* the weakest position as being the strongest form of atheism. The opposite of weak is strong. Deism, as I see it, was a hedge position that snuck the concept of supernatural past the censors by essentially saying &#8220;God got it started, but the lack of evidence of His interference is explained by his voluntarily giving up interference.&#8221; This contrives to make room for a supernatural creator and attempts to put God beyond question or examination. It&#8217;s a theistic notwithstanding clause.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I don&#8217;t buy *even* that contrived position. My strongly atheist position on this could be summed up by the term &#8216;adeism&#8217;. Basically, as soon as any agent interferes with the physical world, then that agent is necessarily *of* the physical world. The supernatural is a pseudocategory invented by humans to explain away the patently obvious noninterference of a deity in any physical events (which includes psychological events).</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">As you can tell by my delay in posting, I have neglected this blog, so you need not worry that hordes of people are reading my definition.<span>  </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I can&#8217;t stop you from promoting your usage of &#8216;adeism&#8217; and like the case for VHS technology you just might prevail over &#8216;Beta&#8217; because most people don&#8217;t think the logic through to the obvious conclusion.</span></span></p>
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<p>The actual conversation is in the comments section of my &#8216;about&#8217; post, but I was annoyed enough to bring it up to the front page.</p>
<p>As to the argument from primacy, it could be used in an argument that the conceptualization of Egyptian gods preceded the copy-cat invention of Jehovah/God/Allah, and that therefore Jews, Christians, and Muslims should &#8220;take down&#8221; their religions and revert to worshipping Ra and the gang. I&#8217;d like to see all those religions taken down, but on the basis of factual information and logic and not on the basis of a fallacy of logic.</p>
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